TFS sufferers are advised not to continue.
The Xinhua commentary is propaganda at its most stimulating. A wild, unruly beast of a thing, it has the power to make you cringe, chortle and cry out in disbelieving indignation all in the time it takes to read two sentences.
About a year ago, there was a concerted effort by Xinhua’s English-language news factory to up its production of commentaries. I’m almost certain the motivation behind the move was not to sate its subscribers’ thirst for an opinion fest. Rather, it was seen as a good way to put across China’s point of view ie tell the depraved western media to put a sock in it.
The immigrant polishing community at the time suggested, diplomatically of course, that it was not a good idea. Big Reason number one: a news agency does not publish commentaries. Big Reason number two was slightly more complicated due to Xinhua’s primary role as the Ministry of Publicity’s muck spreader. Any commentary released by Xinhua must surely convey an official opinion from on high. But this wasn’t always the case.
Sometimes Xinhua was told to release a commentary written by the State Council eg a character assessment of the Dalai Lama. The journalist’s task was to translate it word for word. The polisher’s task, well at least how he saw it, was to sign his name on the copy without making any changes (apart from glaring grammatical errors, which if left uncorrected would have constituted a gross betrayal of the English language).
On other occasions, the senior editors would decide on a topic and a writer would be asked to construct a comment piece, which corresponded more or less with the government line on the issue. And this is where it all became a bit ridiculous. The journalist was effectively writing an opinion piece. He or she didn’t always share the government’s opinion but wasn’t allowed to write his or her own opinion. More often, the journalist didn’t have an opinion, which was reflected in the opinionless opinion piece. The polisher then had to do an entire rewrite, chucking in liberal clumps of his own opinion. Of course, there was no point in contradicting central government policy. It probably wouldn’t have sneaked through the political content screening but even if it had, the article would hardly have been reflective of a governmental change of heart. But I do remember one polishing comrade writing his own suggestions for how the one-child policy could be better implemented. Maybe the family planning office read it and took note. Or maybe the article was only read by a couple of perplexed foreign news agency journalists given the glorious task of Xinhua wire-watching.
Luckily, the commentary craze never really caught on, probably because they were always rejected by the polishers and writing one became more hassle than it was worth. But as soon as the Ministry of Publicity decided how to respond to the Tibet ruckus, it was as if someone had set off the whole of Liuyang’s annual explosives output next to the Three Gorges Dam. Now, every day without fail, Xinhua releases a commentary.
The Dalai Lama critiques are of course highly entertaining for the readers, who marvel at how little has changed since the Cultural Revolution. For the journalist writing/translating, it must be a bizarre experience being told to shut down the part of the brain that houses rational thinking and then sign your name to the article. I once asked a colleague how he felt about putting his name to a State Council rant about the Dalai Lama. “I know I’m brainwashed but I still believe 80 percent of it,” was the reply.
As for the current commentaries, I’m not sure whether they are coming from the State Council for direct translation by the Xinhua journalists or if the journalists are being told to write them themselves, at the direction of the Ministry of Publicity. Wherever they originate, I’m finding it disconcerting to see familiar names occupying the byline slots, particularly as the majority of those names belong to the best writers in the department, and with whom conversations are always highly enjoyable, stimulating and informative.
These commentaries have a distinct unpleasantness about them, possessing characteristics that are certainly not relefective of the authors’ personalities. They are snide and bitterly sarcastic, right down to the use of quotation marks around phrases like “simple monk”. Often, they are just plain ugly, descending into acerbic name calling, which is of course why they only succeed in turning their audience against the Chinese government. There also seems to be a policy of tossing in as much first-person content as possible, presumably to emphasise that the author is writing from the heart rather than on order of the propaganda masters. Take this odd concluding paragraph to this commentary:
I have no power to make this “simple monk” truly as simple as a monk. I only know that I have heard sweet words one day and seen them contradicted the next.
Sounds like something from the Bible.
When it comes to Tibet, there are two main targets for the commentaries’ ire: the Dalai Lama and his “clique” and the West (usually media). The victims both have an ambiguity about them. The Dalai Lama’s “clique” has never really been defined and the West is a concept. But last Friday, a Xinhua commentary chose to attack a group of young and very scared monks who had dared to speak out against the authorities in front of foreign media cameras - they believed they would be arrested for their actions but felt their words were worth the risk. And that’s when I felt the propaganda assault plumbed new depths of unpleasantness.
BEIJING, March 28 (Xinhua) — The images of the saffron-robed monks in Lhasa’s Jokhang Temple complaining about rights and freedom and demanding the return of the Dalai Lama certainly grabbed the attention of the world’s media.
It was a very effective intervention by the monks. Yet, what do they know about Tibet’s feudal past, which ended only in 1959?
After all, most of them are young men around 20 and know their spiritual leader only by his name.
The 14th Dalai Lama, like all his predecessors, was the biggest serf-owner. He owned every inch of land and every head of cattle in Tibet and was free to exploit — even sell off — his serfs and slaves.
Had the protesting young monks known this, they would probably know better than to fiddle with human rights now.
Having told the monks they had no right to think whatever they were thinking - or “fiddle” with their own human rights - because they were ignorant it then highlighted their ungratefulness:
They complained of having no religious rights, but the central government has allocated more than 700 million yuan (97 million U.S. dollars) since 1980 to maintain 1,400 monasteries and cultural relics.
That’s a hefty amount even for the world’s fourth largest economy.
Tibet now has more than 1,700 religious sites for Tibetan Buddhism that accommodate 460,000 monks and nuns, four mosques with 3,000 muslims, and a Tibetan Catholic Church for 700 believers.
Latest figures say 100 percent of farmers and herders, who account for more than 80 percent of the Tibetan population, get free medical care.
Remember the migrant would-be father who refused to sign off a Beijing hospital’s request for a Caesarean section last year, and lost his wife and baby? It was all because he had no money!
(Incidentally, I have to confess I’m having difficulty remembering the migrant would-be father story. I blame the cloudiness on the fact that Xinhua’s English-language department refused to release this particular story at the time because “it was just one individual case, the type that happens all the time in China, and the foreign media would only use it to make China look bad again.” The Chinese media covered it widely and it developed into one of the big talking points of the year.)
This commentary sums up perfectly the reasons why it will be a long, long time before the Chinese government gets the Tibetans on board. There is no attempt at understanding anything about what Tibetans are thinking. The argument is based purely on money and statistics. The door to discussions is closed. Funny really, because the Xinhua bosses could feed a similar argument to many of their journalists…
“What do you mean, you hate your job? Just count yourself lucky you didn’t have to whip up public insanity during the Cultural Revolution! You weren’t even born then! We’ve just allocated millions of yuan on a fancy new dining hall to make your TWO-HOUR lunch breaks more palatable. You get free healthcare and if you write lots of meaningless four-par stories you can easily meet your quota! What could you possibly dislike about working here?”
It’s time to admit the commentary made a good point though, which I believe Roland on ESWN mentioned in his entertaining conspiracy theory post:
When they cried out “it’s all lies”, I really wondered who was lying?
The monks, who claimed to be eyewitnesses to the alleged “killing of more than 100 Tibetans and arrests of more than 1,000″,also complained of having been confined at the temple from March 10 to March 26, while the riots took place on and after March 14..
None of the foreign reporters on the scene seemed to have noticed the contradiction — that if confined they couldn’t have witnessed what they claimed he had.
What about asking the authorities to clear this up? Are the young monks being imprisoned in their own monastery? Or are they allowed a modicum of “religious freedom” which would allow them to stumble across dead bodies?
Looks like I’ve developed the sarcastic quotation mark thing …
davesgonechina | 01-Apr-08 at 12:04 am | Permalink
“There is no attempt at understanding anything about what Tibetans are thinking. The argument is based purely on money and statistics. The door to discussions is closed. Funny really, because the Xinhua bosses could feed a similar argument to many of their journalists…”
Actually, I think that you could make the case that this sort of argument really is made by authority figures and bosses in China across a wide array of fields of endeavor. The corollary often seems to be the governed or employee saying “What can we do? It’s useless to complain, we can only be patient and wait for our leaders to improve things.”
your ex-colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 9:31 am | Permalink
Chris, a word from your former colleague at Xinhua: please, just stop making use of Xinhua to polish your own reputation… How much do you know about Xinhua with merely two years of working as a “polisher”?
“Sometimes Xinhua was told to release a commentary written by the State Council eg a character assessment of the Dalai Lama. The journalist’s task was to translate it word for word. The polisher’s task, well at least how he saw it, was to sign his name on the copy without making any changes”.
Remember, Xinhua writers never byline in given documents! How little you know about us!
We regret to say that 80 percent of Mr. O’Brien’s account is merely his imagination.
your ex-colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 9:41 am | Permalink
Surprised to see it takes sooooo long for a comment to be published. Censorship is not something exclusive for the state media then.
Chris O'Brien | 01-Apr-08 at 10:00 am | Permalink
Dave: Absolutely true.
An ex-colleague of mine: Hold your horses! Contrary to popular belief, not all bloggers wait eagerly by the computer 24/7 to see if anyone leaves a comment (have to approve all new commenters).
Would love to know who I’m speaking to … but anyway … To be honest, admitting that I stayed at Xinhua for two years as a “polisher” doesn’t do wonders for my reputation. And you are right - I spent two years at Xinhua working as a “polisher” which is why I have always acknowledged the fact that I certainly don’t know everything. But I did chat to people who work there for two years so I think that gave me a pretty good impression.
And to pick you up on the byline point, I can remember very clearly a Dalai Lama commentary which came from the State Council but was accompanied by a byline from the translator. Which is why I asked the translator if it felt odd putting a name to it. Of course, there were also instances where the State Council made up a byline such as “Peaceful Tibet”.
your ex-colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 10:07 am | Permalink
The special byline “commentary” you named was an exception. The State Council’s stuff is always called “signed article”, bearing the name of the original Chinese author. Bylined commentaries are authored by our own writers. So please draw a line between the two and stop saying all Xinhua’s commentaries are given by the State Council.
Let down by China | 01-Apr-08 at 10:39 am | Permalink
Keep up the good work Chris. Working in the propaganda palace for too long distorts your view of reality, and I can see that in Dui Wai Bu’s finest, who really are rather fine, among the best I’ve worked with. It’s been a disappointing experience to see how good journalists have, a little too willingly, churned out propaganda. I sincerely hope they don’t believe it, as it would reveal them as rather nasty and narrow-minded people, and they certainly aren’t either of those two things. Incidentally, your ex-colleague works in Local News.
Again, I must say being stuck in the propaganda palace distorts your view of reality. Westerners don’t believe what Xinhua tells them to believe, unlike the dutiful Chinese media organs, which have no choice but to repeat what Xinhua tells them. But Xinhua continues to churn out the unbalanced news pieces, and propaganda commentaries in the expectation that the West takes any notice. It does not. Not every commentary is propaganda, there is a place for polemic - just look at Daily Telegraph editorials, the entire Daily Mail or Alex Ferguson’s programme notes - but the poorly written ones, and much of the news coverage is consigned to the dustbin in the West. Because these writers are in the propaganda palace and continually subject to this drip drip of non-news they may think that what they write is either important or read by others, or perhaps both. Unfortunately for China, neither happens.
Incidentally, I wanted my nom de plume on your blog to be ‘Disapppointed by China’. The whole Tibet thing has been rather like finding out that your best friend still beats his wife 20 years after you thought he’d stopped. Rather naive of me to have thought that a one-Party autocratic regime could behave any other way than Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Poland 1981, Tiananmen Square 1989. On those occasions people wanted freedom to run their own lives, free of the iron heel. Self-government, not even independence, for Tibet is no different.
I hope ‘your ex-colleague’ has the spine to sign their posts with their real name in future. PB
Chris O'Brien | 01-Apr-08 at 10:46 am | Permalink
I’m not sure I was saying that actually:
“On other occasions, the senior editors would decide on a topic and a writer would be asked to construct a comment piece, which corresponded more or less with the government line on the issue.”
And as for the current rash of commentaries, as I said, I wasn’t sure:
“As for the current commentaries, I’m not sure whether they are coming from the State Council for direct translation by the Xinhua journalists or if the journalists are being told to write them themselves, at the direction of the Ministry of Publicity.”
So thank you for clearing that up.
another collegue | 01-Apr-08 at 11:15 am | Permalink
Hi dear Chris, as another ex-coworker whose articles have been polished by you for two years, I always enjoyed reading your posts to save my pathetic analycal thinking abilities from gradually brainwashed by working for Xinhua. But this time I am terribly annoyed by your comments about all the Tibet stories, some of which may indeed read boring, high-sounding, or even ridiculous. But you are doing VERY Wrong laughing at them. Why? Because I regret to see that after working in China for more than two years, you still fail to understand what is the most sacred thing in Chinese people’s hearts. After the cost of lives in Lhasa and the biased reports of some foreign media, every one in China has the impluse to write something, The whole Tibet thing is about the UNITY of our country, the BEIJING OLYMPICS and every Chinese cares! Have you really bothered to read a history book about Chinese Tibet? Have you personally know any Tibetan people in Tibet and asked them their opinion about the Chinese governance in Tibet? (If you can, find a local translator to get the fair answers from those who don’t speak either mandarin or English). Disgracing Chinese governance in Tibet is hurting our FEELINGs deeeply! On Sat. Chinese people VOLUNTARILY took to streets in Vancouver. I believe you know this is a rare act for overseas Chinese. Comparing Tibet to imagined Xinhua-dinning hall coversation is not funny! Just put off your PREJUDICE and think about it, learn about it, and then talk about it! Of course, you are still welcome to judge our stories.
Sojourner | 01-Apr-08 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
“Have you really bothered to read a history book about Chinese Tibet? Have you personally know any Tibetan people in Tibet and asked them their opinion about the Chinese governance in Tibet?”
And YOU, have you ever read a “history book” on Tibet (or China)that isn’t a blatant piece of state-directed propaganda? Have you any idea of the impossibility for historians to write impartially in China, that no textbook can be published if it doesn’t regurgitate the government’s line? Have you any idea how indoctrinated you are?
And I have met Tibetans … and, frankly, every one of them detests the Han Chinese.
richardlee | 01-Apr-08 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
I, as a common Chinese, have read many history books written by Westerners. I also have been following Western news reports so many years. But that doesn’t convert me to be a lover of Western press. They are like you: biased, hysterical, ignorant, and pathetic
your ex-colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 1:47 pm | Permalink
Let down by China: This blog is accessible to all, not just people in dui wai bu or Xinhua. Of course I have the spine to say who I am but who cares who’s talking? It’s the argument that matters.
Another colleague: Well said and you have my support.
Chris: Of course you reserve the right to pour out what you want but I just feel uncomfortable every time you refer to your experience at Xinhua to make your biased point more convincing. Whether you admit it or not, I can read from many of your postings the arrogance and ostentation of an “insider”. It’s nothing personal but I just don’t like it.
your ex-colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
And Sojourner: Is it true that EVERY Tibetan you met detested the Han Chinese? Or you simply ignored all others? Excuse me but I really doubt it. As English learners most of us read extensively and we are interested in what Westerners have to say about China. It doesn’t mean we will blindly listen to all these opinions though. As I see it, in most arguments, each side exerts the most from whatever is helpful for him… Do you really think you’re writing impartially yourself, for example?
And one question: what would your government do if a part of your country seeks “independence”? And what would you do if you were at the top job?
whatsis | 01-Apr-08 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
A part of Canada did (and still occasionally does) seek independence. We held a vote and there was/is a conversation between the two sides of government about it. I don’t know enough of the history of China and Tibet to form a concrete opinion on what’s happening there, but I do wonder why the Chinese government and the Dalai have such a hard time getting together to discuss things. This is a true question, not sarcasm. Can anyone help me out a bit here? I’m especially interested in hearing from Chris’s ex-colleagues about this, as they will likely have opinions different from those that I hear on a regular basis.
Sojourner | 01-Apr-08 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
“And one question: what would your government do if a part of your country seeks “independence”? And what would you do if you were at the top job?”
I am British, and we have recently given both Scotland and Wales their own parliaments and the right to manage their own affairs.
There is a Scottish Independencve Party that is demanding full independence for Scotland and wishes to hold a refreendum on the topic. If a majority of the population wish for independence, the British Parliament will not stand in their way.
your ex-colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 3:22 pm | Permalink
Whatsis: I’m not sure what is it that you hear “on regular basis”. The central government has said on many occasions the door to dialogue is open, but the Dalai Lama has rejected several invitations to come.
If you read carefully through Dalai’s “non-independence” claim I doubt if you’d find any substantial difference between his version of “autonomy” and “independence”, with no troops to be stationed in Tibet, zero interference from the central government in Tibet’s foreign affairs, etc. in the “Greater Tibet Region” that was to be off-limits to everyone except the Tibetans.
The Dalai Lama deserves another award: the world’s best lobbyist and public relations manager. He’s made so many people believe that Tibet was independent in history, which was not the case. For more than 700 years the region has been under the central government’s jurisdiction and the title of the Dalai Lama was also granted by the central government.
The part of Tibet the 14th Dalai Lama claims to be independent in history, which was in fact not, was much smaller than today’s Tibet autonomous region. The concept of “Greater Tibet Region” where Dalai demands “a higher level of autonomy” also never existed in history.
your ex-colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 3:44 pm | Permalink
Sojourner: The issue concerning China and Tibet is different from that of Britain. The United Kingdom is just about 300 years old. Scotland and England were independent before that. Tibet was different: it never was independent.
As far as I know, probably half of the British public supports independence of Scotland. But the majority of the Chinese people — the Han people and the Tibetans — are opposed to Tibet’s independence. Check it out if you want. You can launch an online poll right now.
Rhys | 01-Apr-08 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
“your ex colleague”
I’m not an advocate of Tibetan independence and I agree that western media is biased (all western media is biased, and with regards to everything, not just because there is some kind of conspiracy against China)
But come on.
Articles in English-language press here about what happened in Tibet in the last few weeks has all the subtlety of being punched in the face. Repeatedly.
The Chinese Government can not reasonably ban western media from a place, hysterically denounce the Dalai Lama at every given opportunity (without evidence) block a large number of websites containing material the hurts its image, and expect people to swallow it all hook, line and sinker. They are living on the moon if they think that is possible.
Another point: Why is it always western media that is getting whipped? Some of the most vitriolic pieces I’ve read have been in Indian and Japanese press.
another colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 4:20 pm | Permalink
To Sojourner, I wondered if you kept asking “why”s? Why they “detest Han Chinese”? Is it because they are barred from having religious belief? Is it that they become poorer? Or even their relatives are being arrested for no reason at all? More than 9o pct of the population in Tibet are Tibetans, if “every one of them detests the Han Chinese”, do you think the minority Han Chinese can survive till now? Quite differently, what I saw in Lhasa is that Han, Hui, and Tibetan Chinese sharing the same business and even houses, drinking the same pot of milk tea, and I personally don’t feel a tiny little hatred toward myself. Many Han Chinese even joked they wished they were Tibetans because that would mean they can enjoy a lot of preferential policies, such as in higher education and no birth control. About the history books, may I ask you to suggest one that is impartial and says Tibet should not be part of China? Because after all I read about the British invasion in Tibet during the doomed Qing Dynasty and the CIA funding of Dalai Lama’s government-in-exile, I don’t see any reason why it should be separated from China. By the way, talking to Dalai Lama after all the riots had happend seemed impossible because it’s like when someone was beaten, he went to plead the attackers not to beat him again by offering something the attackers want. The Chinese government would not want to show any weakness, that’s why it said Dalai has closed the door for dialogues—that’s my point of view.
andy | 01-Apr-08 at 4:21 pm | Permalink
your ex-colleague, richard lee and another colleague:
Why do you make adjective-laden attacks on the author of this website? Why are you unable to argue at his intellectual level?
Your English is good enough, yet you lack the ability to separate opinion from fact, to be able to understand both sides of an argument.
This is a skill you once had as a child but was crushed out of you by Communist schooling and the Xinhua soul-sucking machine.
I say this not to insult you, but firstly to defend Chris against your more unkind and churlish comments.
I don’t think he deserves your frustrated ire. I believe you should direct this at your political masters.
I have never met Chris. But I know from reading this he can argue both sides of the argument: both your side and his side.
In fact, he can argue your side better than you argue it. So can I:
For example: Tibet is on China’s border so making comparisons with the British in India or America in Iraq is not a valid comparison. What about Britain in Northern Ireland?
For example: nobody in the world believes the Dalai Lama is a simple monk. He is a theocrat. And a cunning one at that.
For example: Tibetans are not the kind of holy gentle people we see painted in Hollywood productions. In fact, they have a long history of tribal violence and backward superstitions.
The true test of intelligence is being able to argue both sides of an argument: You are unable to do this. You are blocked. You could not do what I just did and represent my views. You misrepresent, stereotype and insult your opponent: the Xinhua way.
Maybe because you feel uncomfortable at your own ignorance, you nitpick and score cheap points showpiecing your obvious intelligence. Yet you must know deep down you are not really making an intelligent argument.
You are acting like Xinhua’s spolit babies when you SHOUT in CAPITAL LETTERS. When you insult. When you nitpick. When you ignore your opponent’s argument and make your own argument instead.
Try listening. Try questioning. Try demanding the truth. Try answering your opponent on his own terms, not your own terms.
Here is my limited grasp of the objective truth: I have HONESTLY met dozens of different Tibetans in different places and times, more than most Chinese.
I could only talk to these Tibetans in Chinese. They ALL told me in strict confidence - most of them imagining they would surprise me - that they adore the Dalai Lama and want him to come home. I am confident this view is shared by most Tibetans, if not all. None of the ones I chatted to said anything about hating Han people. Some of these Tibetans could not even speak Tibetan. Others had large pictures of Communist leaders on their wall alongside Tibetan gurus.
Some hated Mao.
Others revered Mao.
The truth of their multiple opinions is as complicated and contradictory as the single parrot opinion of Chinese is dull and predictable.
I believe a Tibetan who blindly loves the Dalai Lama is extremely misguided.
I believe blindly insulting the Nobel Peace Prize winner is pigheaded and unprincipled.
So please continue insulting Chris in your responses if you want people to think Chinese are guilty and ignorant. I apologise in advance if by saying you are brainwashed, I insult you. I’ll concede that I am not perfect in this post and invite you to nitpick away. But please please THINK FOR YOURSELF.
I have many close Chinese friends and all admit they have been brainwashed.
By Xinhua.
By Chris.
By you.
You should all be ashamed. If you want to prove me wrong, then tell me one good thing about the Dalai Lama.
Sojourner | 01-Apr-08 at 4:32 pm | Permalink
And Sojourner: Is it true that EVERY Tibetan you met detested the Han Chinese? Or you simply ignored all others?”
In Beijing and outside China I have met 7-8 Tibetans, and they are all resentful and angry at what they see as the invasion and occupation of their land by China. They also remarked that they say one thing to Han Chinese, and something entirely different when talking to foreigners.
Okay, maybe they weren’t a representative sample, but who knows?
The deepest hatred of Han Chinese actually came from a Uighar woman, a successful artist living in Beijing. Over a beer, I asked her what she thought of the Xinjiang issue. After a pause she simply said, “The Han Chinese … Exterminate them.”
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“The United Kingdom is just about 300 years old. Scotland and England were independent before that. Tibet was different: it never was independent.”
Oh dear. This comment truly reveals the veracity of my point about Chinese history textbooks being propaganda tools.
The issue of whether or not China has a legitimate claim on Tibet is both contentious and complex, and depends on how one interprets the evidence. But to claim that Tibet has never exercised independence is so absurd I really don’t know whether to laugh or to cry.
Sojourner | 01-Apr-08 at 5:03 pm | Permalink
“None of the ones I chatted to said anything about hating Han people.”
Well, they’re not going to say that to your face, are they?
your ex-colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 5:11 pm | Permalink
Andy: It seems to me that you’re ready to insult everybody who dares to disagree with you and Chris. What a pity!
I don’t think I attacked Chris with adjective-laden remarks or SHOUT in CAPITAL LETTERS, nor will I. You did. This is not the right attitude in a discussion.
Some suggestion to you, too: don’t always overestimate the intelligence of the Chinese, and don’t feel so arrogant.
Third ex-colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 5:25 pm | Permalink
Your ex-colleague and another colleague: you don’t speak for all Chris’s e-colleagues. We have many varying opinions. We don’t have open discussion on Tibet or on a lot of subjects. Calm down. Show some dignity and honesty.
another colleague | 01-Apr-08 at 5:51 pm | Permalink
Andy, we are not trying to attack Chris. Actually, I appreciate Chris’ intelligence very much, that’s why I keep following his blogs, as i said, “save my pathetic analycal thinking abilities from gradually brainwashed by working for Xinhua”.
You said most Tibetans you met “adore the Dalai Lama and want him to come home. …None of the ones I chatted to said anything about hating Han people.” I think you are being fair enough. If I understand you correctly, you also agree the rioters are just a very small group of Tibetans, who, for some unknown reasons, were incited to hate Han Chinese and commit the crimes.
I am Han. I can speak from my conscience that we Han Chinese never look down upon Tibetans, as we don’t look down upon the other 54 minority groups in China. But I feel terribly sorry the incident is dividing common Tibetans and other Chinese ethnicities apart, with the fanning of overseas forces.
mike | 01-Apr-08 at 7:07 pm | Permalink
another colleague - if you genuinely believe that “we Han Chinese never look down upon Tibetans, as we don’t look down upon the other 54 minority groups in China” then the conversation on this blog is doomed to failure. In the last few weeks, I have heard constant reference to Tibetans being animals and barbarians, all from the lips of Han Chinese. In the past, I have witnessed extremely negative attitudes from han chinese towards Xinjiang uighurs. I can only guess you are young and naive and have not travelled too much in China. That has to be the only way your incredible ignorance in this matter can be excused.
right, back to TFS
Chrisfan | 01-Apr-08 at 7:12 pm | Permalink
Chris is right when he said that wire services don’t publish commentaries. They concentrate on facts and let their clients — the newspapers — do the rest. This is what journalistic professionalism all about. In China, the People’s Daily and China Daily should do the job and they won’t stay idle. Why should Xinhua guys fight for their job? Chris is offering a piece of good advice, but the dummies will never listen to it. Guys, your commentaries won’t please the Proganda Department, because they don’t read English.
Twofish | 01-Apr-08 at 8:11 pm | Permalink
One thing that is interesting here is that Xinhua has said next to nothing about the Taiwan elections. One thing that the PRC government has learned is that sometimes saying anything is not in your advantage, and I’m pretty sure that there were some pretty strict orders not to say anything about the Taiwan elections.
In the case of Tibet, it’s pretty obvious that someone higher up either doesn’t know how the West would react to a commentary, or more likely really doesn’t care. Frankly, they are likely to be right. What the West thinks about Tibet is likely not to matter at all, and the point of the commentaries is to get domestic support for the crackdown.
another collegue | 01-Apr-08 at 9:18 pm | Permalink
Mike- I guess you are new here and only know very limited number of Chinese. As a Han, I don’t need to prove to you I know more Han Chinese, and I have spent more time in Lhasa than you do. Are people around me are all too “naive” to “discriminate” Tibetans? because the most commonly heard bad word to say Tibetans are “dirty”, as they don’t take showers often. Good evidence of “looking down upon”, huh?
Just give you an easy example to show how Han Chinese don’t dislike Tibetans– Pubajia, the supernova and champion of China’s most popular talent TV show in 2006. He is Tibetan.
the Dalai Llama | 01-Apr-08 at 10:46 pm | Permalink
dog damn! these Xinhua commentaries are so well written I’m beginning to believe I really am a running dog.
Lao Bi | 01-Apr-08 at 10:47 pm | Permalink
It’s interesting how no one in this discussion or any writer elsewhere seems able to let go of their own bias and get on with the real debate. The lack of awareness of our biases is preventing the urgent dialectic from being expressed: What kind of society would the Dali Lama create in Tibet?
Chris’s biases run deep, as they do in all of us, but I know he tries his best to overcome.
A Westerner’s indoctrination begins very early in life and has been ingrained over generations. Chris’s country mate John Stuart Mill wrote in 1859, ‘… the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as existing generations.” Mill’s book, On Liberty, shaped political discourse and Western thought for decades. Few people in the West know or read Mill nowadays but his ideas are in their DNA.
Socrates may have started this Western idea that truth seeking is inviolable when he said; “an unexamined life is not worth living.’ He was persecuted for his ideas, which were a bit ahead of their time; he was nine years old when Confucius died.
In the United States the notion of liberty is a confused and fanatical pursuit. From the days of Patrick Henry, who in 1775 declared “Give me liberty or give me death”, to the current official state motto of New Hampshire, ‘Live Free or Die’, Americans believe it’s right to kill and bomb in the name of freedom and peace. An oxymoron if there ever was one.
Chinese, however, know there is no grace in death. Massive numbers of deaths and absolute chaos are still too fresh. Grandfathers can tell stories about human nature when people are actually faced with a choice between something, anything, and death.
Chinese people who are middle-aged can tell their children about starvation and famine in the 1960’s. Young adults can remember the 1980’s and the campaign against Spiritual Pollution, which was followed by the campaign again Bourgeois Liberalization, which proceeded 6/4 and the chaos of Tiananmen Square which swept the whole of the country and threatened it, as if it were a teetering giant, which, of course, it is.
Forget freedom which is a mere notion, and provides no sustenance. The lack of liberty is, for most Chinese, their willing sacrifice. Seeking stability is ingrained in their DNA.
But now there is Tibet and this terrible dialectic (the investigation of the truth through discussion, or the art of investigating truths through discussion). It is China’s issue to deal with and the world wishes it would.
Forget the discussion about who has the right to say what or how they are saying it. Someone, somewhere, please say something intelligent. Does the Dali Lama believe in the separation of Church and State – one of the first hard won liberties of the West? Does he plan a return to a slave society for Tibet –improbable as best? In an open debate can China not show that Tibetans are better off in than out – as Canada did for Quebecers? Cannot Tibetans decide how they want their land developed and resources exploited, as did Canada’s northern Cree Indians?
It’s time to move beyond our biases; to allow, as Marx proposed, the thesis and antithesis to become combined in a unified whole, the synthesis.
Imagine how great this country could be if it could resolve its Tibet issues in a way that Socrates, Confucius and Buddha would approve.
Cheers,
Lao Bi
PS: Actually, Chris I thought some of the opinion pieces – those with substance and thought — were very good and challenging. If I recall there was an opinion piece on health care that you really liked and helped develop into a good piece of writing — or where you just faking it:)?
Silly Foreigners | 01-Apr-08 at 11:31 pm | Permalink
Every time I feel that the CCP should really loosen up and let my non-US passport holding Chinese brothers and sisters have more says about the decisions in their lives, then comes along people like Chris, Andy and Sojourner, people whose opinions confirm my belief that the CCP indeed are making all the right decisions and calculations about China and the world at large.
Jethro | 02-Apr-08 at 1:53 am | Permalink
your ex-colleague, Lao Bi, and others: commentary aside, I have to remark that your command of written English is astounding! I have known many China Daily editors in my day, and none of them have come close to mastering written English in the way that you have.
Third ex-colleague | 02-Apr-08 at 9:12 am | Permalink
Your ex-colleague and another colleague: Xinhua leaders have told us to fight back at Chris’s blog. Be honest. We know why you are doing this.
mike | 02-Apr-08 at 9:31 am | Permalink
another colleague. like I said, conversation ends here. I can’t communicate with such a lack of perspective being shown.
silent colleague | 02-Apr-08 at 10:15 am | Permalink
Frankly, I do agree with Chris and Andy, though they are not 100 percent right. I admit at least I as a xinhua worker should learn to communicate, learn to balance our news, learn to discern facts. News is in fact a kind of communication, with people. It’s true we should stop using the violent words in our writing. It’s not effective in communicaton.
To Chinese readers like me, do listen to the different oppinions for improvement. We need to carry out independent thinking, critical thinking.
To foreign readers like Christ and Andy, do believe us, as single writers, we are trying to make news more professional, just for our own work ethic.
As individuals, we are the same as you with heart for truth, love and beauty.
The only problem is we don’t know how to communicate with each other.
your ex-colleague | 02-Apr-08 at 11:11 am | Permalink
It’s really interesting to read through all the above comments. Lao Bi is right we all need to shake off our own biases in the first place. I’m sure that’s what everyone participating in this discussion is trying to do — that’s why we’re here to face the issue and hear what others have to say about it.
Xinhua’s coverage is not perfect and the stage news agency can be clumsy to some extent. But no one else is perfect. We’ve been working all these years to improve our work, and I can see the progress compared with, let’s say, five years ago.
Now, be fair. I don’t mean for everyone to agree what the Chinese government is saying but we’re doing what we can to support what we think is right.
Third ex-colleague: Xinhua leaders actually told you exclusively to fight back at Chris’s blog, didn’t they? Otherwise why don’t we know anything about that?
I don’t quite catch your point there. Are you being honest or are you just trying to turn yourself into a laughing stock? But it’s not funny at all.
Chrisfan | 02-Apr-08 at 1:25 pm | Permalink
As long as Xinhua persists with its propaganda mission, Chris’ “ex-colleagues”, no matter how many they are and how hard they try, will get nowhere. And there is little chance their work will achieve any international respectability. That will be sad but quite for sure.
Frank | 02-Apr-08 at 1:52 pm | Permalink
The Chinese followed blindly in the shadow of their great leader Mao for 25 years and millions starved, until one day the government said “the cultural revolution is over” and so it was. Nobody questioned why they followed this moron, why people had to starve or why it suddenly ended one day. Now, they are doing it again. The Chinese follow blindly and have no ability to analyze and debate things for themselves– they are destined to be followers of history. Pity the Tibetans to have these people as their boss!
Chris O'Brien | 02-Apr-08 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
Whew! Sorry for the delay in response - you got me on a busy day. Well, where to start … Your ex-colleague, Another colleague (and the many ex-colleagues who share similar opinions), first of all thank you for all your comments. I have been allowed free rein for long enough and I’ve always hoped there would be more opinions expressed on this blog by Xinhua employees. I certainly don’t take them personally. Believe it or not, I often felt nervous coming to work after writing one of my more critical posts. I was amazed at how the blog seemed to be accepted (apart from what I would term friendly warnings from some of the more senior members) although I knew the people who didn’t like it were too polite to tell me. I carried on writing. And I received encouragement to do so from various employees from various levels of seniority in Xinhua. When I left, many said keep writing. That said, I appreciate my blog does at times intrude on your daily working lives - there is a fine line which I admit I have crossed on several occasions.
“Another colleague”, I appreciate your honesty. Not sure of your identity so I’m afraid I can’t comment on your analytical skills! I know we share different opinions on Tibet but the main point of my Tibet posts is to take issue with the nature of the propaganda Xinhua is producing in response to the riots. You said yourself some stories are “ridiculous”. So why not change it? Back to that later …
You also said “I feel terribly sorry the incident is dividing common Tibetans and other Chinese ethnicities apart, with the fanning of overseas forces”. Well, whether you like it or not, the Ministry of Publicity’s propaganda strategy is also contributing a great deal to the widening of the rift between Han Chinese and Tibetans.
Have I read a history book on Tibet? Not all the way through, no. Although I did pilfer a book called “The Historical Status of China’s Tibet” when we had to clear out our offices and move to the new building last year. I am aware of both sides of the argument of course (Tibet part of China since Yuan dynasty versus Tibet under control of Mongol Empire during Yuan and China had little influence during Ming etc) but that’s not what my posts are about. The historical debate will never be resolved so we should move on from that. Of course not all Han Chinese and Tibetans hate each other. That’s ridiculous. I pointed out myself in a previous post that one Xinhua story highlighted the fact that many Tibetans and Han Chinese in Lhasa are neighbours and friends, something that at first was not really emphasised in the foreign media. In fact, I believe this point that I made on the blog was quoted (rather hilariously as I’m sure you’d agree) on a recent internal Xinhua newsletter to show how well the agency was doing in its news reporting on Tibet. And no, “your ex-colleague”, I am not arrogant enough to think I was deserving of mention!
Have I met any Tibetans? Yes, I have - in Xiahe about a year ago. And no, they didn’t spew forth insults towards Han Chinese. But I did detect a great reluctance to talk openly, particularly among the monks - and I’m pretty sure that wasn’t down to my Chinese, which, as you know, has severe limitations (anyway some of them only spoke Tibetan). What was clear though was their love for the Dalai Lama. Call them brainwashed if you like but that’s the way they feel. One day in Labrang monastery, we sat with some monks for a couple of hours. I had bought a Dalai Lama pendant necklace thing outside Kumbum monstery in Qinghai purely for the novelty factor. I handed it over. They were delighted but also worried to take it. One of the younger monks took it in the end and hid it in the folds of his robe. I met another Tibetan nomad on a motorcycle who described how he had travelled on a pilgrimage from Xiahe to Lhasa by foot. It took him a month and a half. He then caught a bus from Lhasa to the Nepali border where he walked over the Himalayan pass (the one where the PLA shot a couple of Tibetans in 2006) to get to Dharamsala to see the Dalai Lama. It was the only time in his life he would make the trip. He then returned to the Chinese border where he knew he would be arrested. He spent three months in prison. He didn’t complain about it - the Chinese police treated him very well. Then he returned home. These are just a couple of examples from my very limited personal experiences. But having experienced those two encounters, it went some way to explaining the frustration at being told to denounce the Dalai Lama or being banned from owning a picture of him. Just to pick up on a point raised by a couple of other commenters here, when I spent a few days in Kashgar, the feeling of resentment among Uighurs was far more palpable.
“Another colleague”, you suggested I “think about it, learn about it, and then talk about it!” You know I spent two years doing that at Xinhua. And I would hope from my previous posts that you can see evidence of those actions. My posts do not advocate Tibetan independence. They are not disputing the fact that China has some legitimate claims to Tibet. Rather, they are taking issue with the crude nature of Xinhua’s propaganda. They are criticizing Xinhua stories for lacking rationality and intelligence. They are pointing out how ineffective and misguided Xinhua’s propaganda is for an international audience. They are showing how closed the propaganda is to any discussion on why some Tibetans might not be happy with their lot.
I have to admit to displaying a worrying dose of naivety when it came to assessing those Xinhua commentaries on Tibet. I think I was trying to convince myself that the authors were writing the commentaries in a certain style more because they were required to do so rather than wanting to do so. It’s not that I’m ignorant to your strong feelings on the Tibet issue - believe me, I developed a pretty good idea of where you stood on the issue over the course of two years. It’s more that I was surprised to see names of people who I have a lot of time for at the top of articles that are not only absurd in their tone and highfalutin language but also do the authors absolutely no justice whatsoever. What I was trying to say in my original post is that you are better than that. You are more than capable of putting across solid arguments in excellent English, as “Jethro” points out (by the way, Jethro, Lao Bi is Canadian). Yet, these commentaries degenerate into Cultural Revolution-esque hysteria which doesn’t sit well with anyone (not just the “West” - also Indians, Africans, South East Asians, Chinese, many Xinhua employees …). I wasn’t actually planning to attack Xinhua’s raft of commentaries - it’s kind of old news really. But I felt compelled to take issue with the “Stop fiddling with human rights” piece because I was actually taken aback by its ugliness and plain nastiness, particularly given the identity of the victims of the verbal assault. I still find it hard to believe it is being defended. The author of that piece is definitely better than that. On my part, I’ll accept the “imagined dining-hall conversation”, in my eagerness to highlight the absurdity of the situation, was an absurd reference in itself.
As I said, I think it’s a bad idea for Xinhua to write commentaries full-stop. But that’s just my opinion. Or is it bias? If you have to publish them, I think “Silent colleague” has hit the nail on the head on how to go about it. And, “Silent colleague” I fully appreciate what you are saying. I have always tried to acknowledge the individual’s efforts in the production of Xinhua news stories. I know I haven’t always been complementary - at times during my employment I was embarrassingly harsh which I apologised for on a fair few occasions - but I feel my posts, on the whole, stress the difficulty Xinhua journalists face while writing under external constraints. “Your ex-colleague”, while I’m afraid I can’t say I saw a general improvement in Xinhua stories over the two years (which was, as I have mentioned before, probably down to problems with organisational structure), I saw a lot of improvement in many individuals, particularly the recent university graduates.
And Lao Bi (a former polishing comrade): were those commentaries you are praising written by you by any chance?! Regarding the health story, yes it was excellent. But it was a feature not an opinion piece. Love your quotation usage - hope it didn’t take too long to research seeing as you should be practising on the green baize …
Chris O'Brien | 02-Apr-08 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
Sorry, forgot to include this link to an article posted by the Black and White Cat blog written by Barry Sautman, associate professor of social science at Hong University for Science and Technology:
http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2008/04/01/separatism-and-tibet/
Anyone at Xinhua: in all seriousness, instead of another commentary why you don’t you interview Professor Sautman?
Peach Orchard | 02-Apr-08 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
I’m surprised this became such an active debate thread on Tibet - the post was really about the nature and tone of the Xinhua opinion pieces, which, regardless of their rightness/wrongness, is quite propagandistic. This sort of tone naturally arouses contempt from an educated reader.
The problem lies in that even good critical readers have blind spots and fail to apply the same standard to our own politicians and ourselves now and then. That doesn’t make everyone critical of Xinhua/CCP wrong, and it’s a fallacy all too often abused by the same to distract from one problem by drawing attention to another or making ad hominem attacks. The Chinese government is masterful at this method, and it serves them well. Call a spade a spade, though. Otherwise why is there any incentive for things to get better? Even if you agree that in some cases the expedient solution is called for and that absolute freedom is absolute anarchy, the goal should be to preserve stability but move towards greater freedom and happiness as conditions allow. When the government goes from having made some real improvements, from having had Wen Jiabao personally apologize to the stranded migrant workers during the winter storm, from appoint migrant workers to the people’s congress, to suddenly reverting to the sort of old-style propaganda we laowai so love to ironically quote, it is discouraging and a bit sad. I remember how horribly embarrassed I was when I was studying here during Hurricane Katrina, watching my own government blame the people trapped in New Orleans for their predicament. It was pathetic, but it made sense. The US government doesn’t want to be blamed for ignoring the plight of poor black Americans, and doesn’t want to admit that it totally blew the recovery effort; that would destabilize and weaken the government. That doesn’t mean that it’s right. With Tibet, either way China plays it, they blew it, and they don’t want to admit it. Either they were caught unaware by a planned insurrection, and thus can’t maintain stability on the periphery, or they are grossly exaggerating the state of affairs. Frankly, the story the government is telling is the more worrisome of the two.
I’m not going to disagree with the CCP’s policy of maintaining stability; anyone who has the slightest acquaintance with Chinese history knows that avoiding disorder is the primary responsibility of the government, and that China in chaos would have dire consequences. I am also not going to dignify their ridiculous propaganda as anything more than a means to an end - I am not the target, after all, the Chinese public is, so who cares what I think? Chris works on these things and sees how ridiculous they end up appearing to foreigners, and faults the process as lacking nuance and resembling a journalistic sledgehammer.
Sillly SB foreigners | 02-Apr-08 at 3:45 pm | Permalink
the bottom line is really that the CCP just has a way of annoying and insulting westerners’ sensibilities and intelligence. Westerns’ brains are not equipped to deal with a government like the CCP. With all your critical thinking skills and fredom to question everything, the US and the West still, at the end of the day, invaded and currently occupy Iraq and Afghanistan. Western gov’ts, CCP and other governments are all the same; their forms of governments dictate how they deal with their citizens. Democracy require a higher and more sophisticated forms of duplicity and deceptions to fool their citizens, and less Democratic governments employ more crude methods to deceive their people. Thus, western societies deal with a lot of hypocracy (or bullshit) from their governments, whereas the less democratic governments, like the CCP, use more blunt and ostensibly less sophisticated (but by no means less effective) methods to deceive their citizens. All in all, you westerners and my fellow chinese brothers and sisters are all fools and suckers for our government’s lies. But in thing that is different is that you westerners make a hissy-fit about it, and whereas the Chinese keep quiet about it (as we know it has to be this way at this moment in time).
Extremely concerned | 02-Apr-08 at 9:44 pm | Permalink
Oh dear, Lao Bi, with all this talk of thesis and antithesis and wotnot, it looks like you’ve really taken on board the scientific concept of development.
Anyway, I have a little sub-plot conspiracy theory. Could it be possible that all this bile against the Western media is a ploy to get the Chinese not to trust it ahead of the easing of internet censorship that will undoubtedly take place during the Olympics? A kind of “if we successfully discredit them now no one will take seriously all the negative stories that the masses previously weren’t allowed to look at and that are sure to embarrass us in August” approach.
As for the Tibet problem, a solution will only be found when the Chinese permit an open public debate on what is actually grieving the Tibetans (and I say that as someone who doesn’t support Tibetan independence). Judging by the replicate “stories” in at least two Beijing newspapers today, that is a long way off.
Extremely concerned | 02-Apr-08 at 10:03 pm | Permalink
Infact, Chinese newspaper editors must be having a really easy time at the moment. I can just imagine the conversations in editorial conferences, “No need to worry about pages 1,2 and 3 leads today guys. It’s all be written for us. Knock off early if you like.”
interesting | 02-Apr-08 at 11:06 pm | Permalink
chris: you must know “thought liberation” or “mind emancipation”. Although as you said western wires do not carry commentaries –they are usually good at planting opions in their stories, it does not mean that Xinhua shall not publish commentaries.
Free up your mind. Talk something that concerns intelligence and technics. Enditem
Chris O'Brien | 03-Apr-08 at 9:17 am | Permalink
Interesting: Are you Wen Jiabao himself? I will strive to do so. And maybe you can do the same.
nanheyangrouchuan | 03-Apr-08 at 9:22 am | Permalink
@Chris’s many former coworkers and other pl’s:
No one gives a hoot or holler what Chinese people think or feel. Certainly not your government, so definitely not the rest of the world.
Got a problem with that? Get out your boxer shorts.
Sillly SB foreigners | 03-Apr-08 at 11:00 am | Permalink
Yup exactly, who gives a rat’s behind what the Tibetans think or feel, certainly not the Chinese government, and certainly not the Chinese ppl.
another collegue | 03-Apr-08 at 12:37 pm | Permalink
I appreciate Chris’ response and think it’s honest, to-the-point and fair enough. I have no difficulty understanding the original blog was targeting the Xinhua commentaries and I believe you are technically correct. I don’t need to reiterate our constraints because you already know it perfectly.
Lao Bi has been in China for sooo long and know the country sooo well. “Forget freedom which is a mere notion, and provides no sustenance. The lack of liberty is, for most Chinese, their willing to sacrifice. Seeking stability is ingrained in their DNA.” Very brilliantly said!
Extremely Concerned | 03-Apr-08 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
another colleague
Seeking stability is ingrained in their DNA? I’d say very ridiculously said. Let’s look at the facts. How many incidents of public unrest are there a year in China? Was it 10,000? More? How about what’s just happened in Tibet, Gansu and Sichuan? Or aren’t Tibetans Chinese?
A genetic tendency to pursue stability is no more prevalent in the Chinese than it is in any other race.
Rhys | 03-Apr-08 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
(Cough)
To which we might add.
1. The millions who died in civil war in the twentieth century.
2. That small issue of Taiwan.
3. The hundreds of thousands who march in protest in Hong Kong every year.
Any definitve claim that any person makes about what a group of millions of their citizens think is bound to be wildly overstated. In any context.
Ur Chinese friend | 04-Apr-08 at 10:17 am | Permalink
There is one very intelligent comment made in this post which IMO perfectly sums up the situation between the Hans and Tibetans. The Han leadership thinks that the Tibetans can be bought with money, because the strategy worked with everyone else including pretty much every “western” nation. Since the 80s, Beijing had dumped how many billions into Tibet? Yet despite all of this investment, the Tibetans still complain that they are “financially discriminated” against.
So what is the solution behind this? Allow Tibetans to go independent as most young tibetans prefer, according to the media? Even without Xinhua’s op-eds most Chinese would be against that idea.
Lao Bi | 04-Apr-08 at 9:50 pm | Permalink
Does anyone know anything about the issues? Please enlighten me!
I’ve heard that the Tibetan leadership(?) agree that Tibet it part of China, but only since the 18th century. The Chinese goverment says Tibet and China have been linked since a Chinese princess travelled there in the 16th century.
And never the tween shall meet?
I know this conversation is about the right (or not) to express an opinion, but I bet we could resolve the crisis right here and now.
If we only knew what cards there were to put on the table.
老毕
Mutant Palm » Blog Archive » The Wolf Trap | 04-Apr-08 at 10:09 pm | Permalink
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Jonman | 07-Apr-08 at 10:16 pm | Permalink
Wow Chris you appear to have disturbed a hornet’s nest – so much hot air that I fear a massive acceleration of Global warming. Please let me add my own – the damage has already been done.
Various reports of the volcanic reactions of many Chinese to the questioning of the rights and wrongs of the Tibetan situation clearly indicate that the drip, drip feeding of government propaganda has worked well since 1959.
Your comment that the door to discussion is closed I believe is a poignant one. Could it be that the high echelons of the CCP are so convinced by decades of their own propaganda that they can see no value in other points of view?
Jiddu Krishnamurthi’s view point was that a conditioned mind was incapable of understanding truth.
“Truth, what is truth?
To a scientist it is an observable fact, but even this can be proved wrong by missing a minute detail during an investigation.
To the proletariat it is what has been given them through posters and news edicts over time. If one is told the same thing time and time again, over a generation, then the next generation will accept it as gospel.
So, what is truth?
Is it a state of mind formed by the guidance of our forebears?
Is it a gradual dawning of awareness that one’s own bias is being tempered by reason?
Whatever the answer it is clear that truth is somewhere within every utterance a good or bad person/institution may make.
The apparent backward feudal society in Tibet in the 1950’s was bound to be a target for Mao and his communist expansionism by portraying the forceful take over as a liberation of the peasant workers.
On one hand the feudal society was backward and unjust, yet it was based on an ancient religious belief that re-incarnation is a truth and the Dalai Lama is one such enduring example.
On another this man was protected form the outside world and thus was imprisoned by the Tibetan culture which he was compelled to perpetuate.
“Absolute power corrupts absolutely” is a well known and widely accepted “truth” and it could have been said that the feudal system in Tibet had become corrupt.
It could be argued that Mao’s actions did the Dalai Lama a favour in that, as a result of his exile, he was able to meditate, re-educate and expand his views and perceptions of how Tibetan society should evolve.
The Chinese system of government itself has become increasingly corrupt unable even to offer a modicum of justice for its own people, let alone for the other ethnic groups.
The Tibet issue also raises the spotlight on to the Chinese paranoia about religion – any outside leadership is a threat to its foundation of authority.
To an Atheist, religion is all about superstition – how quaint a thought when the Chinese race is one of the most superstitious of all?
The past 49 years has seen the Dalai Lama demonstrate his non violent belief and grow in wisdom and worldliness.
The Chinese government has demonstrated the exact opposite, still introspective and increasingly violent, to suppress the freedom of religious practice and movement of the Tibetan people.
This whole unhappy episode in both China’s and Tibet’s history can be summarised by a quote from Omar Khayyam:
“The worldly hope men set their hearts upon turns to ashes – or it prospers; and anon, like snow upon the desert’s dusty face, lighting a little hour or two – is gone.”
Yes, our Olympian dreams have been corrupted by demons – our torch of hope has indeed been extinguished.
Never Yield | 08-Apr-08 at 10:14 am | Permalink
Seriously, the CCP just needs better PR Management. They should really retain some western PR and spin professionals. These CCP officials are not equipped to deal with savvy and ignorant westerners. Keep it up CCP, you are doing the right things to move the Chinese race ahead. There is light at the end of the tunnel, the Olympics will be finished by the end of August, and then you can proceed to punish all these trouble makers.
Chrisfan | 08-Apr-08 at 5:56 pm | Permalink
Indeed, the Propaganda Department should be renamed the Spin Doctors Department or CCP PR Center hiring 30,000 plus well trained spin doctors. Then, perhaps, the Xinhua News Agency and other Chinese official media could become a little more journalistically professional.
Chris O'Brien | 09-Apr-08 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Never Yield: I welcome your comments of course … but can I ask you to keep the same name (eg that charming one “Silly Foreigners”) when commenting. Multiple identities can be misleading. Cheers.
Chris O'Brien | 16-Apr-08 at 9:24 am | Permalink
Damn it, just deleted last few comments by mistake (too much spam to filter through) Here they are - sorry to those concerned:
From Silly Foreigners: My apologies, Chris. I’m new to this blog posting stuff, and neither was I intended to mislead anyone. Hence forth, I shall go by the name of Silly foreigners, the great defender of the CCP and their policies.
From Heynihao: hey,nihaoI find ur nice blog site and my website indexed it to make more people know ithttp://www.heynihao.com/sortedbysort.php?sort_name=Blog
From Jonman: To “Silly Foreigners” – You’re concept that the CCP/Xinhua needs better PR management is an interesting one in that you are assuming that the CCP needs a defence? That it is at last about to admit to its poor Human Rights record? Or is it that you too have become amazed at the childish school playground insults, directed at the Dalai Lama, coming from the mouths of senior officials? Are we to expect a faint echo, from the Dalai Lama, resonating off the Himalayan peaks “Pig…Pig…Pig” in reply? No, this is where again the CCP has lost out. The Dalai Lama has risen above this squalid level, yet the recent utterances by Governor Qiangba Puncog, that further demonstrations in Tibet will be met with “merciless” force, has done nothing to improve China’s image.PR/Spin, call it what you like, but it is actions that portray the truth. If the ‘Chinese race’ is to truly go forward then it must acknowledge the truth within. The Tiannamen Square incident in 1989, like the Cultural Revolution, instead of being ‘air-brushed’ out, needs to be acknowledged as issues to be addressed, for the ‘Chinese race’ to take its rightful and respected place within the International Community.If only Deng Xiaoping had prevailed and convinced Mao to abandon the Cultural Revolution.
From Ur Chinese Friend: jonman, it should be obvious to anyone media savvy that China’s PR team bits the big one. Even NYTime’s Clifford noticed this and wrote an article on it yesterday. As to what the pro-China PR materials maybe, there are actually plenty to go around. You talk about actions speaking louder than words, yet when you are offered with statistics that Tibetans’ lives improved during the last 20 years you ignore it. Surely there must be SOME tibetans who enjoyed their new material success? Instead you would rather believe the never lying Dalai who claimed that Chinese police dressed up as monks during the recent riot by offering evidence from a 2002 movie set. If China is so horrible, why according to PEW research Chinese are the most optimistic people on the planet? Propaganda can only go so far you know.
Silly foreigners | 16-Apr-08 at 11:06 am | Permalink
Contrary to prevailing opinions, I’m actually glad that all these things are happening to China and the CCP. The CCP can surely use and learn from this valuable experience. The CCP needs to learn the hard way that the path to the top is not gonna be easy, they should use the torch relay events to learn how’s friend or foe.
For more geopolitical explanations of recent incidents:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3173.shtml
Jonman | 17-Apr-08 at 7:30 am | Permalink
Ur Chinese friend, thank you for pointing out Clifford’s article and it does clearly indicate that the CCP is on task for image change. However, good PR is based on an open minded foundation. If the CCP intends to ‘tart up’ the same old socialist propaganda machine then it will fail and sooner or later the masses will see through the emperor’s clothes.
Madame Fu Ying, the Chinese Ambassador to the UK, was given the opportunity, in an article published in the Sunday Telegraph, to voice her concerns over the pro-Tibetan protests in London.
At first she, rightly, condemns the “violent” protests in London and goes on: “Many who had romantic views of the West are very disappointed at the media’s attempt to demonise China”…… “Of those who protested loudly, many probably have not seen Tibet. People are well-fed, well-clothed and well-housed”.
Well, that’s all right then, but you mention the improvements over the past 20 years?
Madame Fu did mention that the Tibetan had enjoyed an increase in income of 83%, but failed to mention the timescale. 83%, if it is over 20 years, then that becomes pretty meagre. Perhaps the figure is per capita, then that includes the income generated by the Han businesses in Lhasa in the modern designer shops.
Is there equal opportunity for the different ethnic groups? As mentioned by Chris earlier the Uighurs hardly conceal their animosity towards the Han as their migration was sponsored by Mao and their presence basically imposed on the ethnic populace.
The Tibetans have largely been less antagonistic, prepared to live side by side the Han Chinese and, indeed friendships have been established. There was recently a legal battle over land boundaries in Shigatse where a Tibetan was in danger of losing part of his land. His Han friend represented him in court and won the case, basically because he could read, write and speak Mandarin, (the official legal language). Without that friendship the Tibetan would not have had justice as he was incapable of understanding the Mandarin documentation – is this not discrimination? His Han friend recognised this as so.
Actions speak louder than words? Yes and it’s great when a Chinese person sees the injustice and comes to support his friend. It is a shame that the Chinese government cannot see the injustice it leaves the majority of its poorer citizens to suffer.
See the queues in Beijing and other regional cities of those seeking justice and witness the frantic approaches to passing western TV news teams to try and get help.
What else can they do when their own ‘Custodians of the People’ turn their backs on them?
Chinese police dressed as monks? Whether it is 2008 or 2002 I’m sure they would still be very photogenic. There are government spies in the monasteries; why else would monks be wary of accepting gifts with the Dalai Lama’s image on it?
The saddest comment that was mentioned in the Sunday Telegraph was that made by bemused Chinese Olympic team members that they were convinced all English people were against them. One can understand their confusion.
The Chinese people are the most optimistic, good luck to them and why not? I sincerely hope they will not be disappointed. The internet will inevitably open their eyes to reality just as the students in Tiannamen Square found to their cost.
The dilemma faced by the CCP is how to liberalise without blowing the pressure cooker.
Here’s cooking at you kid!!
Kathy Podgers | 21-Apr-08 at 6:57 am | Permalink
Hi Chris, glad to meet you. This is my real name, and blog, but I must warn you, all is not what is apparent. The Dalai Lama, as a teacher, can explain his version of “illusion.”
Responding more dfirectly to your post #39, re meeting ethnic Tibetans, I also have “met” ethnic Tibetans, and have had long time and close relationship with some. But, in my case, I did not seek them out in search of a story. I do feel, that when one is searching for “the truth” one may actually overlook “reality.”
Responding to most others who have contributed to this great discussion, here are two realities here stateside, 1. All my Chinese friends, associates, and family members, (I myself am not an ethnic Chinese, but a “typical white person”) have reported to me they feel terrible, abused, insulted, outraged, and dis respected as a result of the overwhelming western media bias. They feel it is racially motivated.
2. All my western caucasian friends, associates and collegues have been caught off guard by the same media assault. While most are willing to suspend any critical thinking skills, and blindly go along with the obvious “China Bashing,” most are dubious about the “Tibet issues.”
It is my understanding that one can “buy” space for a “news story” in the European press. Do any of you have info on how this works.
Also, I am glad to see more recent posting. The New Youk Times article is out about US military being used as analysits for “news stories” here in the US. I also understand that more than one “news reporter has been “let go” when it was discovered they were CIA.
When I was living in China, 1988-1989, I learned first hand about CNN. Any one who watches CNN for news is placing their neutrality at risk. One problem I have with the western point of view is the idea that there is no truth, it’s what you make it.
Where is the questioning we need in order to have an effective press? Free press is almost worthless when it is abused to spread falsehoods and confusion. What about the peoples right to know.
The unintended consequesnce of the riots in tibet, and the numerous false and misleading “facts” coached in language that requires blindly accepting totally rediculous assumptions, is those folks who have learned the geography of the internet. within days if not hours, China Hands, and others, filled the blogosphere with the correct facts, and I believe that pushed “china” if not Xinhau into producing more effective “information.
I do believe that it is sobering to realize there are more “connecred” Chinese that the total population of the US. That should be a wake up cal to all news media, East or West.
take care
Kathy and Shannon