A good piece of on-the-spot reporting by Beijing Newspeak. This post attracted 74 comments and was recommended by nearly every China-related blog….

And I am not a Liberal. To me, Liberals are not much different than Conservatives. Much of the dominant wing of the antiwar movement in the USA has been politically domesticated and neutered thanks to Liberals. As for my arguments, I fully stand behind what I have said above.

Mr. Binnersley: There are numerous “alternative” media outlets that have reported on David Shayler’s claims about the USA-UK connections to Islamicist terrorism and issues like 9/11 and 7/7. Shayler himself had a website, Shayler.com, which has now been taken down.

I am greatly pleased with the newfound length of your responses, but quite disappointed with their shallowness. You have added nothing except calling me a bigot and a fascist. Both points are weak and untrue. I have stated my bit and arguments, yet you offer little new substance, akin to the monkey-Texan in the White House. I have said what I wanted to say and you disappoint me. Therefore I see no point continuing this, and I will not come back to this blog after answering your charges of bigotry and fascism.

I am not a bigot. Many Americans engage in self-criticism and in America it is a cultural norm to make racist remarks about your own race. When you criticize your own race, you are in fact criticizing your self, therefore not racist. As you can tell I milked this for all it’s worth. I do not hate Chinese people. I love them. The church I attend, the Rochester Chinese Christian Church, is almost all Chinese. I still have many relatives in China. I only hate stupidity and weakness, which is what you and the PRC have in common.

I am not a fascist. For purposes in my attempt to debate, I shifted my political views to the right in order to provoke intelligent responses from you. You have greatly disappointed me. On many things we see eye-to-eye, yet you never adequately defended your view points. You are weak and you ruin the good name of liberals and the anti-war movement if you resorted to calling me a fascist.

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The American colonial conquest of Afghanistan is just as criminal as the American colonial conquest of Iraq–and based upon USA media lies just as outrageous.

Then there is the issue of the supposed “terrorist” attacks of 9-11, which, based upon the forensic and circumstantial evidence mentioned above, WAS PROBABLY AN AMERICAN TERRORIST ATTACK ON ITS OWN PEOPLE.

The same questions could be raised about England’s 7/7 “terror” bombings in London that I mentioned to Mark Binnersley, and which he also ignored.

Your response to these world historical issues, or the American media role in propagandizing about them, is to cry about “conspiracies,” which is a favored catchphrase used by American (media) apologists.

You best ask yourself this: What kind of self-proclaimed “Land of the Free” like America murders its own people in a contrived “terrorist” attack all in order to launch its global “War on Terror”?

And what kind of American Free Press helps to cover up these massive atrocities by dutifully promoting the official American version of these events in the first place?

As for my other points about the original post by O’Brien or the issue of the Chinese media, I have already addressed them in my messages above. Too bad your reading comprehension skills are not up to snuff.

The bottom line is this: You can cling to America’s lies all you want. But actual reality will shred this USA propaganda to pieces.

Disguised behind its faux “War on Terror,” America is effectively creating a global USA-led police state such as evidenced by the Homeland Security Department; the Patriot Act; the USA’s global system of CIA secret prisons; the American gulag prison at Guantanamo Bay; Abu-Ghraib-style torture; America’s serial wars of aggression; not to mention the domestic destruction of the supposed civil liberties that America purports to champion.

In short, America is reverting back towards fascism. All the pro-Americanism in the world cannot hide this fact. Even a few honest US soldiers, of all people, see this as clear as day:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Amer_Fascism_On_Rise.html

And based on your comments above, I’d say that you’d make an excellent potential Brownshirt in this America.

The more you open your mouth, the more you show yourself as a flag-waving American bigot, who is afraid to question the ideology of “freedom,” which your vaunted America and its Free Press use to legitimize themselves.

It is even questionable that you are of Chinese descent, as your nickname (”stupid-chinaman”) and repeated rhetoric (”American Chinaman”) are racist to the core.

In fact, your choice of nickname and recurring rants about “Chinaman” reveal what you stand for. Whatever your ethnic background, you revel in racist anti-Asian rhetoric just like any KKK skinhead or White Supremacist, and you deserve to be treated with similar contempt. Congrats, you are now a true patriotic God fearing America-loving nationalist. You must be real proud of yourself.

As for your comments, the very fact that you believe that the American media has been a principled critic of the American aggression against Iraq (among other wars) just shows how indoctrinated you are in the Anglo-American ideology of freedom.

The international antiwar movement has documented the many lies that the American media in particular has promoted about “Weapons of Mass Destruction” to justify the American genocide against Iraq in the form of economic sanctions during the 1990s and now in the form of the USA-led invasion.

Go to any significant antiwar website, and you can discover these massive American media lies … if you got the guts.

Even the so-called “criticisms” that the American media offers now are *belated* at best and based upon cynical tactical concerns about the American handling of this war–NOT THE CRIMINAL NATURE of this most recent imperial American aggression.

So much for the free press.

As for my name, call me paranoid, but I would rather not post it online. I doubt this has anything to do with free speech, as many posters here do not post their real names.

But nice try anyways.

As for the rest of your message, you really don’t address any of the issues I mentioned in message 68.

The BBC has been one of the primary conduits for British propaganda, such as on the issue of the Anglo aggression against Iraq. So much so, that the BBC has earned the nickname “British Bullsh*t Corporation” among not a few people in the antiwar movement, for example.

I have not lived in England, but I am reasonably familiar with the British media. In fact, I will give the British media a compliment in that it is better than the American media–though this is damning with faint praise.

You say that the British media does not speak with one voice, but if you refer to the Propaganda Model as delineated by Chomsky/Herman, you would understand that misses the point.

The British media will offer the *image* of media pluralism and diversity of views–PROVIDED that the underlying political terms of debate, framework, and logic are not challenged.

I cited the example of Weapons of Mass Destruction above, that you ignored.

The Anglo-American media has belatedly admitted to a degree the *specific* lies about WMDs that the Bush and Bliar regimes used in the RUN-UP to the invasion of Iraq, BUT they will not question the fact that the USA and UK have manipulated the WMD issue as a GENERAL CONCEPT/PRETEXT for over a decade against Iraq and against other nations like Iran and North Korea.

Is this the behavior of a so-called Free Press?

The Anglo-American Free Press ain’t so free.

my my my, how you disappoint me. I put all the effort into engineering a George-Bush response and you hardly responded. From your previous responses, I was reading that you were setting up a rhetorical trap, baiting for a very American response, from which I decided to give you wholeheartedly. I expected this to be a relief for you, to give you reason to fully express your anti-Americanism like I expressed my Chinese-stupidity; responses akin to the Three Gorges Dam busting. Shame. But you did call me an idiot. “strike a raw nerve”? hypocrite. And quite expected from you.

Last time I tried to exploit a weakness in your posts. I guess I have no chose but to debate you for every argument.

First post:
Not once did you mention the core topic of this blog. Not once did you mention the flaws of the Chinese media, while you rant against the western media. You may be boarding the discussion, bringing in a new view point, even pointing out flaws in our arguments, but you very strongly imply the Chinese media is superior and everyone else are barbarians by not once mentioning the Chinese media at all while criticizing the western media. We may have “conveniently” misreported Virginia Tech, but you conveniently left out your feelings about the Chinese media.

Second post:
This is the first time you have mention that you “have touched a raw political nerve.” Oh god. You speak about American arrogance and self-rightness (with strong support and evidence), yet nothing strikes a “raw nerve” by you saying you “have touched a raw political nerve.” I have said it before and I will say it again. You *bleed* arrogance and self-rightness.

Based on your second sentence, you notice how people rant about media censorship and freedom. What you forget that censorship and freedom are the “case-zero” of this entire blog. The very foundation of this debate. The western media far, far from perfect, and we Americans are often their harshest and most frequent critic, if only by virtue to being it’s most frequent audience. China has plenty of censorship and a lack of freedom. This debate may not even happen in china; the blog censored if the topic shifts to Tiananmen Square. Have can you improve, how can you take a step forward if there is no freedom of press.

Next I will chide you and your use of the word “imperial” in your third sentence. Ignoring several counter-facts, such as how it’s the most common word used by anti-americanists, how meaningless it is, how between the US and USSR the European colonial empires that imperialism defines were dramatically dismantled, and while being the world hyperpower, America has not established colonies, against the definition of imperialism, China is not immune to the label imperialism. China has conquered Tibet (and I will leave it to that), and forever eyes Taiwan. Nuff said.

I also remembered that you called me a nationalist pig. You also used that in your third sentence. Remind me, what does the PRC govt. run on? Can’t be communism. Can’t be capitalism. Oh yes, nationalism. Fueled by demonizing the Japanese, who have forever ruined the Chinese honor. Also fueled by every international incident seen as an affront to China. And you criticized Western media, again “misreporting though omission” how china is different. In fact, the PRC encourages this nationalism, to boost their legitimacy.

Fourth post:
This is simple. You imply a top-down conspiracy. Things don’t work this way in the free world, in the most arrogant and self-righteous way. The media doesn’t have agenda. It only has greed. Greed will make honest mistakes. Greed will twist stories for maximum profit. But greed will admit mistakes. Would you like unemotional human motive control the media, or a human who seeks dominance over you to control what you hear?

Fifth post:
You “strike a raw nerve” again, criticized free press and freedom, tried to redirect criticism against you, renarrowing the discussion to the western media, and called other people as hypocrites. Oh, and you tired to blame the western media and have a “black out” about China. Again, nothing on how China is superior? I rather be a stupid-chinaman (oh, I’m sorry, an American-chinaman) than hypocrite (Chinese Bastardized form of American-chinaman).

Sixth post:
Look like it took you 12 hours to report any failings of the Chinese media. I guess you missed the 7:00 news, so you have to report your apologies on the 10:00 news. I’m sure it means a lot to you. Typical. We all Chinese think alike, don’t we?

You’re an even bigger fool than I thought if you believe the western media is a propaganda machine. How many western government have been embarrassed by it? How many leaders humiliated and forced to resign? How many famous people disgraced? Not to mention have the war in iraq is being decimated by the media alone. What has your Chinese media done?

Maybe you should ask why the western media is more trusted through out the world? Maybe it is the best, rather than trying to fit reality to your beliefs?

I’m not going to even argue about you three supposed examples. They only show the shallowness of your reasoning and even your intelligence, inadequately hiding your deep hatred for America and the west in general.

The rest of your responses are repeats of your previous posts. You are a Chinese Bastardized form of American-chinaman.

“Moreover, the USA and England are manipulating this WMD pretext against other countries like Iran and North Korea.” Have you read the Guardian or Independent?

The BBC is certainly not a propaganda machine for the British government. Maybe it’s views are tinged with a shade of the liberal left, but it’s no one’s mouthpiece.

Just checked out your TELESUR. So, it’s going to represent Latin American integration. Interesting. It seems all those against integration will be denied a voice. There’s also no mention about how it will hold governments to account. Can’t wait to tune into TeleChavez.

Have you lived in the UK? Do you have knowledge, I mean a proper knowledge, of the content of our media, the variety of opinions and angles? I don’t think you grasp this. The British media doesn’t speak with one voice.